Help us cope without a car

Andy and Gina

9 November 2007

We've recently got rid of our car and it's going well, but we're worried about our next holiday.

We'd like to go on a camping trip to a remote area of England. We want to be comfy so we'll need quite a lot of camping gear as well as food, clothes etc. Without a car we're concerned that we'll have too much to carry by train and getting to and from the campsite will be too difficult.

If you have any advice or you know of any campsites that are easy to reach, please help!

Andy and Gina, Swindon

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camping without a car

Try this link. We thought the tipis sound great fun. This is not a remote area but possible by train as you can hire lots of the stuff you need from them rather than carrying it all there,.
http://www.pinewood-holiday-park.co.uk/1173.html

Collectivism to the rescue

We have got to the stage in this country where living without a car is impossible for some (remote communities, mobility impaired, etc), but that doesn't mean we have to rely on the car for everything. Cutting out some car mileage is better than just giving up and driving everywhere. Holidays should be a good place to start.

Getting most of the way across the country doesn't have to be costly by train if you can plan ahead and book in advance (sadly we have to play up to the operators marketing strategies). This still leaves the problem of how to complete the journey at either end when often there is no integration between public transport services.

Going from home you could make the most of your forward planning (essential for any good holiday) by combining your journey with a neighbour's shopping trip. We don't have to demonise all car users if they are making the most of their journeys, do we?

At the other end of the journey there is real scope for tourist destinations (and where isn't these days?) to provide collective transport - minibuses, maxi-taxis, horse and trap... I'm serious here. Local communities need support to bring in visitors that without increasing the impact of cars.

This kind of approach does not send the message that we can achieve miracles and force everyone off the road. Taking a pragmatic view and offering better alternatives will appeal to those that can't imagine or don't otherwise have the choice of a life without the car. I am suggesting that everyone pulls together and in so doing we may continue to change attitudes.

I work as a transport planner and there is rarely a simple answer to achieving "modal shift". Preaching isn't going to win the argument. What does work is enthusiasm and a helping hand.

Hope this doesn't come across as a ranting thesis .

Camping without a car

It makes life easier if you can find a campsite near bus or train services. This info can be hard to find, we have not had much luck asking tourist information offices about proximity of campsites to transport links. We look out for campsites when we are out and about on the train or bus.
The YHA website has good details on getting to their hostels by public transport. Some of them have camping, but staying in a hostel might cut down on what you have to carry. Many of the hostels have room for couples and they are located in some great areas of the countryside.
The Heart of Wales train line (Swansea to Shrewsbury) goes through mid Wales and there are campsites near some of the stations.
Going to a small festival can be a good option as you can eat on site and have to carry less.
Try to travel light - eg. wash clothes instead of taking lots. As you have got rid of your car for the rest of the year thjen if you really can't manage your holiday just hire a camper van for the week.

camping without a car

You can hire a Porsche Cayenne Turbo for £230 per day, problem solved.

£230 a day?! I pay less

£230 a day?! I pay less than that for 3 months travel to work & back by bus!

Cycletouring

Cycletouring was more accessible than i imagined. Last summer i rode from London to Bristol to Exeter & returned the same way, including much camping. Last October, I cycled from Anglesey to Birmingham, camping again. You simply need panniers and/ or a trailer, tools & spares for usual repairs... + your camping equipment. Good luck.

Being Car Free

The simple way to be car free is to move close to your work.

I estimate that the option of stumbling out of bed 15 minutes before work and being there on time is worth between £5000 - £10,000 pa against an hour commute each way. (2 hours a day at £10 per hour x 250 days a year = £5000 before tax).

If your job is located somewhere you can't tolerate living, then change jobs.

If you live far from work but in a nice middle class area so your kids can go to a good school, don't worry, Steven Levitt's research published in the best seller 'Freakonomics' suggests schooling has little to no bearing on academic success, supportive parents are far more important, so spending long hours away from the family commuting, in order for your kids to go to a good school makes no sense whatsoever.

If your partner works in the opposite direction then perhaps you should decide if one or other of you should switch jobs.

Camping without the car

I live without a car too and I think making that contribution means you have to be kind to yourselves too, so unless you are very rugged and determined types, I think you should see what alternatives there are to lugging lots of stuff with you.
You'd be amazed at what you can carry on a bicycle or in a bike trailer so that would be my first suggestion but get good quality stuff - you can hire trailers if you don't want to buy. Ask in your local, decent bike shop. Join the CTC (Cyclists Touring Club) or at least look at their site www.ctc.org.uk where there's masses of advice about cycle camping.
The other thing you might try is finding somewhere with static tents or yurts or something where you can use the equipment and just take yourselves and backpacks. There are lots of places which do that now with good quality equipment available and some of them quite wild eg. try searching under 'camping for softies' in Google and you'll find lots of different possiblities. 'Cycling for softies' brings up some good sites too.
If you do want to do it all yourselves, I'd buy some good quality backpacks, maybe a hand luggage trailer and I'd suggest taking the train to the west coast of Scotland! (Well actually I'd go via Eurostar to the Pyrennees or the Alps but I think you wanted to be in the UK!). Enjoy yourselves!

Camping PS

Is there anywhere in the UK that is really remote? We live in Scotland and despite huges tracts of moorland and 25% of the land area find it difficult to escape the presence of 'civilisation'.....and ever present rumble of motor traffic, and hum of planes flying overhead.

Camping -

The more stuff yoiu take the bigger the tent you need - so it all starts to spiral out of control as you need a bigger tent to keep the accessories and the tools to set them up.

Why not look at the seriously lightweight travelling and camping style described by the Crane Bothers of their cycle ride 'To the centre of the Earth' a vague location somewhere in Mongolia, which ius furthest away from the sea in all directions. Less radical are the lightweight cycle tourers - camera, clothes, credit card and cycle, who additionally carry ''camping gear' and recognise that on a bike you do not carry a weeks supplies with you, but 'live off the land' - you'll find locally available food, and demonstrate the truth of the non motoring toursit spending at least twice as much with local shops and farms - money they actually save in not having to pay for the travelling warehouse called a car - that money is not spent in the local area but with service stations and supermarkets.

My wife (who has never learned to drive) travelled widely around Europe and to world centres in her line of work, and developed the regular traveller's skills in having her entire needs contained in the bag which went in as cabin baggage, all essentials in compact or pack flat form and any items which could be bought on arrival were bought on arrival. Observe anyone with such skills and you marvel at their discipline and efficiency and wonder whay you have always weighted yourself down with bags which need to be guarded or placed with left luggage wherever you go - and of course that like excess baggage charges, costs money.

Camping without the car

Have you considered the Peak District? The buses are well publicised on Derbyshires website and all timetables are downloadable. There are many campsites on bus routes (just outside Buxton on the 61/61A) on Long Hill, or on the way to Ashbourne on the 442 542 buses.
I'd suggest contacting the tourist information centres in advance in writing and asking them for suggestions of accessible campsites, or contacting the team at Derbyshire County Council. You can buy a day pass for the county in advance by post (details on the website) ahich includes all buses & trains - so you only need to buy a train ticket to the county boundary (& the ticket includes Sheffield).
Similarly Cornwall CC publish good timetables & will send them out for free....
Good luck

Camping Holiday

To help you carry your holiday gear buy yourself a luggage trolley or suitcases on wheels and/or some sturdy rucksacks and then get a taxi or bus to and from the train station to your camp site of choice.

Or, perhaps you could go camping with friends who do have a car to help carry both of your belongings.

If you really need a car for this, then hire one

Personally I go to places where all I need will be provided like Youth Hostels or holiday centres so that I don't have to worry about bedding or being cold.

When I've camped at Glastonbury Festival I've taken the minimum with me and got a lift share off one of the ride share sites like carshare.com or nationalcarshare.co.uk or liftshare.com and bought food and extras like that there.

Anna Semlyen, author of Cutting Your Car Use - www.cuttingyourcaruse.co.uk
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